Monday, 21 October 2019

The Woolwich Navy


This extract is taken from London Ship Types, by Frank C.Bowen published 1938 by the East Ham Echo

The units of the 'Woolwich Navy' which is maintained by the War Office with its headquarters at Woolwich Arsenal are among the very familiar sights of the River but most people know very little about them.   For one thing their flag is difficult to identify, a Blue Ensign, defaced by gold guns which is not included in most popular books on flags, and, for another thing although they are painted black with a buff funnel and a black top, they do not carry their names painted on their bows like ordinary merchant ships but man of war fashion in very small letters on the stern which are generally difficult to read.  As most of them are built on the lines of coasting cargoe steamers or motor vessels and are quite small the average Londoner who encounters them on the River is quite content to put them down as coasters and leave them at that, although really they deserve much more attention.

The War Office which in the old days controlled the Ordnance Department  which supplied guns and ammunition to the Navy as well as the Army has maintained a fleet sorts from time immemorial.  Not the only had guns and ammunition to be carried round the various forts and naval bases along the coast, but transport and storeships proceeding abroad had to be loaded at whatever port they were using as a base and on the London River itself a large fleet of sailing barges carried ammunition from the various factories to the arsenals, the magazine’s at such places as Purfleet and forts, rifle ranges and gunnery experimental stations in the lower reaches.  These barges, it may be mentioned, were among the best built on the River and several of them have been converted into first class cruising yachts.

In addition to this transporting work the War Office was for many years after the American Civil War had proved the potency of the submarine mine, in charge of all the mining defences of the country, for the Navy regarded the mine as an ungentlemanly weapon and would have nothing to do with it as long as possible.  The Royal Engineers therefore had charge of a larger number of submarine mining vessels of about 80 tuns displacement, each of which were stationed at various points along the coast and which periodically caused interest and considerable confusion by practising mining and counter mining in or alongside of commercial waterways.  It was not until the turn of the century that the Navy took seriously to mining and even so it was quite unprepared for the pitch of perfection which the German Navy had brought that arm to by 1914.

The War Department fleet has nothing to do with mining nowadays it is very busy on the transporting side.  Guns and ammunition from Woolwich Arsenal make the principle and most picturesque cargo and there are always two or three of the ships alongside the various piers and jetties on the riverfront.  Sometimes the run is only down to the gunnery stations on the Isle of Grain or at Shoeburyness; sometimes it may be round the posts which Britain still maintains in Southern Ireland, or to the coast defence fortifications anywhere round Britain.  The large variety of their duties which include the movement of stores, food and occasionally troops as well as amunition and the towing of targets for the gunnery practice of the coastal forts, necessitates a very wide range of types including dumb and motor barges,tugs and vessels very much akin to yachts. 

They are manned by an entirely separate service, the personnel generally being entered as boys and promoted through the various ranks of Ordinary Seaman, AB, Second Mate and Mate to Captain, whole below deck the grades are, Fireman, Leading Hand and Driver.  They wear a uniform of sorts and although the discipline is not be compared with either the Army or the Navy they are generally men of a very superior steady type who have a good job and who look after it well.  Pensions have only been introduced in a comparatively recent years for the officers

Of the many types which are including the fleet the steamer SIR EVEYLN WOOD - must of the vessels are named after famous generals or battles - must be taken as she has been well-known on the River for over 40 years.  She was built by Fleming and Ferguson of Paisley in 1896, a steel screw steamer on the laines of a superior coaster.   Her dimensions are 160 feet by 24 feet by 14 feet depth of hold and as a large part of her work was the csarriage of big guns she was given exceptionally heavy scantlings which perhaps accounts for her long life.  On trial as a new ship she averaged  a speed of ten knots and she still working at about nine which is a fine tribute to her original construction and the way she has been maintained by the Army.  During her long life she has carried every conceivable article that can be required by the troops , from ordinance to food and on many occasions she has also been used for transporting bodies of men over short distances

Sunday, 13 October 2019

Meeting on Tuesday

This is to remind you about the GIHS meeting on 15th at the Bakehouse.  You are going to have me, Mary Mills, talking about thw wider picture of Greenwich industry and how it could be turned into a  book.  I am afraid Mr. Waller who was advertised to give a talk this week pulled out and is now down for April.

Members will be aware that in the last couple fo weeks we have lost Sue Bullivant  - who was still our Chair although she had been ill for some time. and also our Treasurer Steve Daly who died very suddenly

We have now the dates of the funerals :
Steve Daly - is 17th October. 3.30 at Eltham Crematorium. Reception after at Shooters Hill Golf Club
Sue Bullivant - is 1st November 1.30 Plumstead Cemetery, Wickham Lane.  Reception after at Woodlands Farm

I am not sure who our members actually are because Steve had the membership lists and of those I do know I don't know some addresses - so please circulate this if you can. I hope however that we can hold a General Meeting in January to sort things out - and please think very carefully because Steve undertook a number of roles amd I and Andrew Bullivant can't do everything!

Sunday, 6 October 2019

The Siemens Brothers Works Bird’s Eye View Artist

The Siemens Brothers Works Bird’s Eye View Artist

By Stewart Ash

During the 1920s, a talented amateur artist, Edmund William Neale, who was a Siemens Brothers employee throughout his working life, created a series of exquisite line drawings, depicting the Siemens Brothers Works, seen from the air above the River Thames.  Though signed none of these drawings are dated but from the buildings in the drawings and other records we can be certain that they depict the Works in c. 1918-20, 1924-25 and June 1927. In addition, Neale also produced an impression of what the site may have looked like, when it was first acquired by theSiemens brothers,in 1863.It is almost certain that the originals of these wonderful drawings no longer exist, but they have been captured for posterity in high quality photographs and the pages of the company magazine.  So,what do we know about theman who produced these outstanding works of art?
Edmund was born on 16 May 1895, the youngest surviving child of George Thomas Neale (b.1871 and Mary Ann nėe King (b.1867).  They had married at St James’ in Woolwich on 13 March 1891 and their eldest daughter, Ann Martha (1891-1935), was born six months later, followed by a son Thomas (b.1894). In 1901, the Neales were living in Woolwich at 17 Nadine Street, with Mary Ann’s younger brother, Edmund King, and other members of her family, a household of ten in a two-up-two-down terraced house. George was working as a spice packer and Edmund King was a dock worker. 
Over the next few years Mary Ann had two more children, but they both died in infancy. In 1909, Edmund Neale left school and started work at the Siemens Brothers factory in Woolwich.  By 1911, the Neale family was living at 725 Woolwich Road, just a mile to the west of the Siemens Brothers factory.  George was the head of the household,  which then comprised the Neale family together with eleven-year-old Frederick Daly, a nephew, and 33-year-old James King as a boarder.  George was now going by his second name, Thomas, and was a General Labourer in the Spice Trade, while Ann Martha was a sewing machinist making shirts. Thomas was working as an office boy in a dockyard, and James was a chemical labourer at a paint manufacturer.  Edmund’s profession is given in the census as ‘Electrical Labourer’, working on ‘electrical batteries’.  It is possible that Edmund started on his first ‘Bird’s Eye View; of the Works during the First World War.  Whether or not he was commissioned by the company to do it, is unknown.  Photographs of this drawing can be found in Siemens Brothers presentation photo albums that show scenes from the factory in the 1920’s

Edmund’s older brother, Thomas, died in 1920 and Edmund married Mary Ann McCarthy, in April 1922; there was one child from the union, Kathleen, born in January 1926, but she appears to have died young. 
The next version of Edmunds Bird’s Eye View appears as part of the banner headline to the First edition of the company magazine in June 1925.  By then factory buildings had been erected,to the west of Hardens Manorway.  The Siemens Brothers Magazine was published between June 1925 and the company centenary in 1958. For the majority of that time this banner was used.

Banner of the First Siemens Brothers Magazine
Edmund probably also created the line drawing of Faraday (2) in the banner.  She replaced Faraday (1) in 1924 and can be seen at anchor at the Works in the full version of this drawing, dating the drawing to c. 1924-25.  Copies of this exist as high-quality photos and were used as small souvenir albums sold or presented by the company.

 E Neal Drawing with Faraday (2)c.1924-25

From January to June 1927, the Siemens Brothers Magazine ran a series of six articles entitled ‘An Outline of the Company History’ and, in the February edition, Edmund’s impression of what the site may have looked like in 1863 appeared.

The Original Siemens Brothers Site in 1863, by E Neale c 1927
An extract from the article states
‘From information supplied by some of the veterans among our colleagues, who still remember the old days quite vividly, Mr. Neale has been able to produce the accompanying sketch.’ We may almost regard Mr. Neale as official recorder of bird’s eye views of the works.’
In the final article in this series, the last known version of Edmund’s drawing appears with the caption ‘The Works Present Day’.

The Siemens Brothers Works by E Neale June 1927

Tragically, Edmund’s wife died in April 1929. and on 13 October 1935, his sister, Ann Martha, passed away.  In the 1937 electoral roll, Edmund is found living at 516 Woolwich Road, with his mother and father.  This was a large detached house about half a mile to the west of the Siemens Brothers works, in which rooms were rented to Siemens Brothers employees. Edmund’s mother died two years later, in April 1938. 

In the 1939 Register, taken on 29 September, Edmund and his father are still living at 516 Woolwich Road, and George is stated as being a ‘Stoker retired’ while Edmund is given as a ‘Cable Worker’.  Meanwhile, on the other side of the River Thames at 24 Winifred Street in North Woolwich lived 38-year-old Jessie Bramley.  Her profession was given as ‘Assistant Cook’ and she gave her marital status as married.

Jessie was born on 6 February 1901 at 27 Corinthian Road, West Street in Erith, Kent, on 20 January 1901 and baptised Jessie Victoria Low. Her father was Frederick George Low, a general labourer and coal porter. Her mother, Annie, had had 9 children by 1911, two of whom died young. It appears that Jessie’s father did not hold down a regular job and the family moved from one rented accommodation to another.  This can be seen through the birthplaces of their children in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. 1892: Rainham, Essex; 1896: Canning Town; 1900: Erith, Kent, before they moved in 1910 to 56 Claremont Street, North Woolwich.

In October 1921, Jessie married Thomas Bramley. Thomas was born in Bethnal Green in 1897, the only son of Thomas Bramley, a Blacksmith Wheelwright, and his wife, Elizabeth.  Thomas Junior left school at the age of 14 to work as a Van Boy. There were two children from this marriage, Enos Frederick, born July 1922 and Olive Matilda, born October 1924.  From then on, Jessie’s life can be followed through the Electoral Rolls. In 1929, the couple lived at 164 Elizabeth Street in North Woolwich.  However, from 1930 until at least 1934 she was residing at that address, without her husband.  In 1937, Jessie was at 24 Winifred Street, North Woolwich, again without Thomas.  Living next door, at No. 26, was a Lionel Neale and his wife, Julia.  In the 1939 Register, Lionel Neale’s profession is given ‘Cable Maker – Lead Coverer’.  Whether or not he was related to Edmund, or worked for Siemens Brothers, is unknown, but both seem possible.

During the war years there are no records of Edmund or Jessie; however, her daughter, Olive, married Ronald James O’Donnell in Portsmouth in October 1941.  Ronald was in the Royal Navy and it is probable that Olive was evacuated to Portsmouth, as they lived close to the docks in North Woolwich. Jessie’s son, Enos, joined the RAF and, as a Flight Sergeant, he died in Valetta Southern Harbour on 9 July 1943.  He is buried there.

After the war, Jessie and Edmund’s stories come together and they can again be followed through the Electoral Rolls.  In 1945, Jessie, her daughter Olive O’Donnell, and George and Edmund Neale were all at 516 Woolwich Road.  They were joined at that address by Ronald in 1947, after his discharge from the Royal Navy.  It does not appear that Olive and Ronald had any children. 

Edmund’s father, George, died in March 1949 aged 77, and was buried in Greenwich Cemetery on 29 March 1949. From 1950 to 1951, Edmund, Jessie, Olive and Ronald continued to live at 516 Woolwich Road.  On 22 March 1952, Jessie, then aged 51, married Edmund, aged 55, at Greenwich Registry Office. Jessie’s marital ‘Condition’ was given as ‘Formerly the wife of Thomas Bramley from whom she obtained a Divorce’.  They gave their professions as ’Electrical Solderer’ and ‘Machine Cable Hand (Electrical)’, respectively, almost certainly both working at Siemens Brothers.

From 1952 to 1958, mother and daughter with their husbands lived at 516 Woolwich Road then in 1959, they moved to 134 Admaston Road, Plumstead.  In 1960, Edmund would have been 65 and Jessie 60, so they probably both retired that year and would have had to give up their rooms in 516 Woolwich Road.

Edmund died intestate on 24 October 1966 and was cremated at Greenwich Crematorium on 4 November.  Olive died in January 1979; once again there is no record of a will or probate. Jessie outlived her daughter and died in May 1990, again without leaving a will. Ronald died in February 1997, and once again there is no will or probate registered for him.

If anyone can add any further information about the life of this exceptional amateur artists or can provide a photograph of him and Jessie it would be most appreciated.

Wednesday, 2 October 2019

Bad News

Bad News

People may also have heard of the deaths over the past 10 days of Sue Bullivant (who was still our Chair - despite her long illness) and Steve Daly (our Treasurer). 

and also

there are more notes on the GIHS Facebook page