Some of the items below have already appeared on the
Greenwich Industrial History Facebook page.
Facebook reaches different audiences but a smaller one - but the idea is
to try to put some of his on both. But
let’s see how we go!
Follow up emails to requests for information below to
indhistgreenwich@aol.com
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The BIG news in Greenwich historical circles continues to be
the very shocking closure of the Greenwich Heritage Centre and we understand
that even those working in the archive on the last date were not aware that it
would not reopen. The quickly set up
Greenwich Heritage Users Forum have now met with Len Duvall, our Greater London
Authority member and Chair of the Greenwich Heritage Trust. Future meetings are being arranged. A member of Greenwich Industrial History
Society was present at the initial meeting along with someone from Greenwich
Historical Association and some professional historians. Most, if not all, of the local history
societies are in touch and have representatives eager to take part. Some national organisations concerned with
archive as well as some of the archive owners/depositors have been contacted
It is understood that the buildings in Woolwich in which the
heritage centre was based are to be converted into a theatre as part of the new
Woolwich arts area. Meanwhile the
archive itself will be stored in Anchorage Point in Anchor and Hope Lane. We are told access to it will depend on
whether you are a ‘professional’ or an ordinary user. (A distinction which I, Mary, personally find
offensive).
Plans for both the old heritage centre building (Building
41) and Anchorage Point need planning consent.
If you are concerned about this situation please make a submission on
either or both of them through the Council web site or in writing to the
planning officer concerned.
The Planning meeting for Building 41 is likely to be on the
25th of September so it is important to get any comments in as
quickly as possible. The case officer is Emily Leslie
https://planning.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=_GRNW_DCAPR_95310
https://planning.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_GRNW_DCAPR_95311
https://planning.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_GRNW_DCAPR_95311
We understand the case officer for Anchorage Point is Lesley Agyekumaa-Sasu and we understand it may go
to Woolwich area planning committee on the 16th October.
Also please get in touch with any general comments – we can
pass them on to the Archive Users Forum.
This is a very brief summary of what is going on.
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We have a request for information on Pipers Barge Builders
who were on the Greenwich Riverside at what is now Riverside Garden from the
1890s until around 1990. They built some
famous racing barges including ‘the famous’ Giralda and one of their Greenwich
built barges survives as a bar on the Embankment. Please get in touch if you can
help
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Adriaan
at the European Industrial Heritage Organisation – has written about a new
cranes database.
"As you know EFAITH
has launched a campaign to build a European database on harbour and other
cranes - see www.harbourcranes.eu - which is a part of the industrial
heritage campaign of the EuropeanYear of Cultural
Heritage 2018
Information
is now arriving from different countries and we should like to add also harbour
cranes that still exist in the UK. I remember there were some in London, but
also in Portsmouth and Southampton. Can you spread the message and could GLIAS
provide us with details of the cranes that are still standing in London ?
A record card (questionnaire) can be downloaded from http://www.harbourcranes.eu/?q=collaborate - but even if the details are not complete we will be happy to receive the information
A record card (questionnaire) can be downloaded from http://www.harbourcranes.eu/?q=collaborate - but even if the details are not complete we will be happy to receive the information
Let us know if you think there is something we should send, or
if you decide to do it yourself. Happy to post up links to info about the 2
cranes which were sadly demolished in 2000 at Lovell's Wharf - today's
Riverside Gardens
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Hopefully the campaign group will be meeting SGN along with the planners in a week or so’s time. And thank you very much to Councillor Sizwe James for all his help.
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Crossness Engines AGM – this is
on 25th September (a Tuesday) at 11.am but the meeting notice doesn’t actually say
where it is!
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We have a request for information on the British Steel Plant
in Riverway – this stood behind the Pilot Pub and was more generally known as
Redpath Brown’s or – later – Dorman Long or Bolkow Vaughan. When it closed there was some industrial
action and an occupation of the site. If
you know anything about this please get in touch.
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We have a note from a reader who says “I carried out the Electrical
installation on the Golden Dawn and her sister ships at Cubow. At that time I
worked for Lowestoft based LEC Marine. Would you like more information, what
would you like to know??
Cubow were a ship repair and ship building business on the site to the
west of Woolwich ferry with a couple of newish blocks of flats (what else!!) .
They were still at work in the 1990s
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Steve Peterson has told us that he has put on Youtube a copy of his
video of Ian Bull’s presentation to GIHS on the Royal Arsenal’s outstation at
the Yantlet. This was riveting and is a
must see
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In the post:
Subterranea - the 'Magazine' produced by Subterranea Brittanica,
about all things underground. Its a fairly posh publication with lots of
interesting articles The current edition does include a report of a boat trip
which looked at sites for the Thames Tideway Tunnel. Although the trip looked
at sites upriver of London Bridge the tunnel itself
will come down the river past Greenwich. The article has a lot of detail about
the tunnel and how it is being built. A number of GIHS members were on the trip
- and it even includes a very unflattering picture of one of us.
It also includes a report
on their AGM - but does not mention that after the main event the members were
treated to a presentation on the Greenwich and Woolwich Foot tunnels on behalf
of the Friends Organisation, (FOGWOFT) by Ian Blore and Mary Mills
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Also in the post:
Cut-A-Way which has nothing to do with Greenwich at all but is a
newsletter for the Thames and Medway Canal Association. I am mentioning it
because it refers to one of the more eccentric canals around - and only 20
miles or so down river. (www.thamesmedway.co.uk)
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A rather belated report on their Summer number –which includes
A note about the heritage engagement project at St Alfege’s church and the appointment of Wendy Foreman to manage it. Please email Rebecca.parrant@st.alfege.org.uk for details
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Industrial Archaeology News – this is a national newsletter. Their autumn number includes
An important article by Robert Carr on industrial chimneys – this is in a national context but e does illustrate it with our own Woolwich Dockyard chimney describing it as ‘rather impressive’.
In another article, about gasholders, Robert also mentions our petition on the East Greenwich holder.
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We understand that the art work on the steps at Enderby Wharf is safe and well and has survived the various contractors working on the path. It describes the history of cable making on the site and was installed via Carol Kenna and Groundwork in the early 2000s. Look back on this blog and there is a whole history of it. We also understand that gates are being installed to access the steps and an information plaque (content unknown!).
Thanks to Jane, the Council's Enforcement Officer for this information and help
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WESTCOMBE NEWS
The September issue contains a long and informative article by Peter Luck on 'Saving Greenwich's Historic Gas Holder' and a Fact File on the 'Significance of the Gas Holder'. Happy to send copies if people want them.
Also thanks to WN for a plug for my little Jetty booklet with a nice article.
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BLACKHEATH SOCIETY NEWSLETTER
The Autumn edition contains an article by Neil Rhind on the closure of the Heritage Centre 'appalling'.!
- and also a long article on the new railway signalling system to be installed at Blackheath Station. Lots of detail - railway fans will love it! The new cable will run under platform 1 to a high voltage power source at Pond Road interchange. There will be a new signals exchange in the sidings behind Platform 1. This will mean removal of vegetation which is upsetting some people and there are various other arguments about the boundaries of the conservation area and listing statuses. They think the new box is a bit too big, I think.
There are also notes about changes at Age Exchange, Lewisham Station and fund raising at Blackheath Halls.
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AND - MY LITTLE ADVENTURE
The aggregate boats which come into Deptford Creek are all 'Priors' - except its not Priors anymore, but the boats are all family names. They come from 'Ballast Quay' which is at Fingringhoe in Essex and they bring aggregate dredged there down to Deptford. If you look on Google Earth you will see a huge patch of works on the riverside.
I knew it would be difficult to see anything there - but off I went. Fingringhoe is a substantial village and luckly I could park off road at the gates to Ballast Quay. lots of 'go away' type signage. I stood and looked in and a man came up. He said he owned this area and it was his home. To get to the quay you had to walk through his area, and he wasn't having that - and anyway they were very unfriendly at the Quay. Just then a huge great lorry came hurtling down - 'jump quick' said the man, as the lorry shot down the lane through the gates, past his house and on. The man said that the firm have given up dredging and their mineral rights. They dug dug dug until they had a huge mountain, and that is what has been coming down to Deptford. Once that is gone, no more. So - ………………….
I also asked him about the old crane - he didn't know.
and so I went home.
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MEANWHILE
What has GIHS been doing
We had a meeting with Cllr.Miranda Williams who is now the lead member for culture. We covered a lot of issues - QRtags, the 'cultural offer', Royal Arsenal railways, etc etc. Happy to send details.
Mostly it was to try and impress her and her office, Taki Sulaiman, of the interest inherent in industrial heritage and what a lot we have of it in Greenwich.
We have also had another more general meeting to discuss current issues -
Closure of the Heritage Centre - use of the Borough Hall - Plumstead Railway Footbridge - meeting on Peabody plans for West Thamesmead - Arsenal walk with the conservation officer - the Gridiron - how to get something scheduled as an ancient monument - riverside pill box at the Arsenal - canal and swing bridge - Enderby Group and the house to be a pub - gasholder and researches on its (non) listing history - QR tags and lack of responses from Tracy - Rockwell and the rope works - Creekside meeting by with councillors - Alan Baxter walk round Woolwich - serenading chimneys - riverside path closures - and etc etc etc
Don't forget our next talk- look to the left - about the power station and the observatory...…...
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